Subliminal messages, the truth
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A lot of people feel subliminal messages work and yet apart from a single 1950 study all other studies show subliminal messages to be of little effect.
What are your thoughts?
What do you classify as subliminal messages?I don't know enough about them to 'know' anything. But, being a self-confessed control freak I would feel very wary of them.
Yes, I have heard great reports of subliminal messages, but I see there is a lot of room for corruption using them - it just doesn't feel good to me....
wingsoflove (wingsoflove)
The question is, is there real scientific fact about it apart from a single 1950's report (charles vald)Can't help you there Charles, I'm afraid what 'the scientists' say has little effect on me. I tend to trust my own intuition as to whether something is right or not for me.
It might depend on who funded the scientists research perhaps? :wink:
I can assure you that whatever side of the fence you sit on, you will find so-called 'evidence' to back up your belief.
Go within and find the answer (or try subliminal messages and see for yourself - that has to be the best research surely) (but then your own belief system or act of observation will alter the results anyway as shown by quantum physics...........)
What a wonderful and complex tool the mind is eh?
wingsoflove (wingsoflove)
You have just said exactly what I was thinking - if one believes something is effective then it will be - the mind is an incredibly powerful thing and always has one's best interests at heart! (Purple)[color=blue:43379773ea]This post is a general ramble broadly covering other topics including those brought up in the cancer virus and flu remedy threads. I'm also reminded of the 'homeopathy is tosh' research carried out in Scandinavia recently.
The title of this thread is 'Subliminal Messages, the Truth' so I half expected to read it and find a theory about the efficacy and dangers of subliminal messages.
Charles, as a respected practitioner, I would be interested in your considered thoughts on the matter.
What studies have there been into this? I'm always interested in "the scientist's" methods of study, which tend to follow the pattern:
choose (or more likely be told to research) a theory,
choose a method of research (or more likely be told what method to use),
choose a sample (or be told which sample to use),
select a control (or be told to use an ineffective or inappropriate control or none at all),
conduct extensive research (or a set of limited experiments),
consider all the results (or discard those 'statistically unsound' results)
then publish a well-balanced and considered report (or be told what to write).
"The scientists" (or at least the paymasters) have the sort of control over us these days that organised religion used to hold in the dark ages. Science is great, if used with social responsibility.
If, as a practitioner, you personally created the subliminal messages on your CDs, then listed them in an insert, and did it all responsibly as I'm sure you would, where are the potential dangers? And what are the potential benefits?
Let's get a proper debate going on matters like this and not rely on the prejudice of "scientific studies."
:)
J.
[/color:43379773ea] (Fruitbat)
[quote:339e1cd694="Purple"]You have just said exactly what I was thinking - if one believes something is effective then it will be - the mind is an incredibly powerful thing and always has one's best interests at heart![/quote:339e1cd694]
[color=blue:339e1cd694]I'd say that, even if a remedy or practice is generally effective, it's possible for the human mind to reject it, and its benefits would not be felt in that person.
I'd also say the opposite is true: that one can take a placebo and cure oneself of one's diseases or phobias.
Simple enough statements, but why is this? Might it be that the person ALWAYS cures oneself, and that what is needed is the ENVIRONMENT to be created in which self-healing (all healing) can take place?
What better way of creating that environment than a true (not half-hearted) positive mindset? What worse way, or what better way of creating a toxic environment, than by negativity?
Holistic imagination is all we need.
Replies welcome.
:)
J.[/color:339e1cd694] (Fruitbat)[quote:f97c360b99="Fruitbat"]
[color=blue]I'd say that, even if a remedy or practice is generally effective, it's possible for the human mind to reject it, and its benefits would not be felt in that person. [/quote:f97c360b99]
I couldn't agree more. The power of the mind is the ultimate tool - used both to destroy or create, dependant upon the individual. If the person has more to gain from remaining ill, then no amount of remedies or therapy will work.
[quote:f97c360b99] I'd also say the opposite is true: that one can take a placebo and cure oneself of one's diseases or phobias. [/quote:f97c360b99]
ditto - that's shown so clearly with children
[quote:f97c360b99] why is this? Might it be that the person ALWAYS cures oneself, and that what is needed is the ENVIRONMENT to be created in which self-healing (all healing) can take place? [/quote:f97c360b99]
that's an interesting idea. I certainly believe that only one person can heal someone, and that is *themselves*. Just as I believe that we only have the answers for ourselves; no-one else can give us those answers (although most people choose to look outside of themselves for wisdom). The environment you talk about, I would perceive to be the mind. A positive mind and belief system is the foundation on which everything else lies - just my opinion.
That environment would also include external factors from the mundane such as good food (but then, you can look at a man who has smoked 40 cigarettes a day for 50 years and whose heart and lungs are in perfect condition), laughter, good relationships, something worth getting up for in the mornings and more importantly living a life in accordance with your higher purpose.
Umm, perhaps - I haven't thought at all here, I'm just merrily typing away :lol:
[quote:f97c360b99] What better way of creating that environment than a true (not half-hearted) positive mindset? What worse way, or what better way of creating a toxic environment, than by negativity? [/quote:f97c360b99]
Hahahahaa - looks like I should have read to the end of your post first before launching in.
Ho hum - let's just say that I agree then!
wingsoflove (wingsoflove)Food for thought while we're on the subject:
http://www.lesliekenton.com/circle/aging/think_young.htm
wingsoflove (wingsoflove)I seem to be getting around 2 emails a week concerned that my music has subliminal messages.
Just to make it clear, please don't worry I do not have any subliminal messages in my music. (charles vald)[color=blue:08be679dbc]
What are they concerned about?
And why would we worry?
I'm beginning to sound like a cracked record
Frustrated Not To Get Any Answers of London[/color:08be679dbc] (Fruitbat)I suppose it goes down to people want to know what is going on.
With subliminal messages they feel they are 'losing control'
This as you said is fine if they know the therapist.
As you might be aware in 1956 James Vicary stated that sells of popcorn went up by 58% and coke up by 18% when he flashed on the cinema screen Drink Coca-Cola and Hungry Eat Popcorn, and yet they could never repeat the same results
In 1962 James Vicary had an interview with Advertising Age, and he
announced that the original study was a fabrication use to help his his failing marketing business.
Research in the 90's seems to have advanced thing.
I might as well give you the link for how things have advanced, it seems our brain does response to a single subliminal word but not numerous words, a sentence, there have been some research done but it's a very hard area to do scientific studies in due to its very nature.
[url]http://www.rapidnet.com/~jbeard/bdm/Psychology/sublim.htm[/url] (charles vald)
